Curse

Lady Raenef · Jul 10, 2008, 11:14 PM // 23:14

To all of you who lack brain cells:

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

"Assassins are becoming the new Paragons" mean that Assassins have become the new dummy for the nerf bat.

Quoted for truth. kthxbai.

Made this easier for everyone so there's less QQ.

I'm complaining about the aftercast on shadowstepping. Poof + Cripple = out of the question? Why not take advantage of Critical Strikes for shadowstepping advantages, keeping the disadvantages to other professions. Shadowstepping is part of the assassin, it's like taking the nipple of a breast away from the baby. People tend to cry.

Mental note before edit: I'm not deleting my sin. That's mutiny.

English Warrior · Jul 10, 2008, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Shadowstep nerfs are drastic really they hurt the jumper warriors and thats it.

Sarevok Thordin · Jul 10, 2008, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

They keep repeatedly being nerfed through means of Shadow Form. I'm okay with destroying the UW farming, but now that skill is less effective at making money.

Now we have after casting to all the shadowsteps to make it harder to surprise people. Shall I delete my assassin now? They're basically going to be useless in a few more updates.

Your call

I'm keepin mine

sthpaw · Jul 10, 2008, 11:19 PM // 23:19

New Paragon??
what do you mean by that?
do u think Paragons are useless?

Stuart444 · Jul 10, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20

if you think assassins are useless, delete it

I love my assassin <3

StormDragonZ · Jul 10, 2008, 11:20 PM // 23:20

I never made an Assassin. For those people who made Assassins for the sole purpose of never using it except farming... well, I think you can put one and one together as to why the assassin skills are being... changed...

Other than that, I'm still waiting for the day they buff [skill]Beguiling Haze[/skill]to 10 energy just to see what people think of that.

Arkantos · Jul 10, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

I think you mean paragons became the new assassin. Assassin's have been getting major nerfs since Factions.

Lady Raenef · Jul 10, 2008, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by sthpaw

New Paragon??
what do you mean by that?
do u think Paragons are useless?

They have their moments, but face it, a majority of the vote goes to: yes.

Why not make shadow stepping more of an assassin things. They did this to ruin warriors or dervishes teleporting to deliver hard spikes. Make it so critical strikes affects the aftercasting time, to the point where 13+ critical strikes can deplenish the aftercasting completely. I hate this. I don't use Shadow Prison, but I love my death's charge.

RavagerOfDreams · Jul 10, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

if warriors and eles were the ones abusing shadow stepping izzy coulda just put a r4critical strikes or 50% failure on all shadow steps

instead of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing up sins once more

i'm down to moebius builds dark day indeed

Dr.Jones · Jul 10, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

with each chappter release they have add things that have broken the game like Shadowsteping, scythe's and shouts, and weapon skills. theirs really no way of countering/removing these things and thus are broken.

Lady Raenef · Jul 10, 2008, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Dr.Jones

with each chappter release they have add things that have broken the game like Shadowsteping, scythe's and shouts, and weapon skills. theirs really no way of countering/removing these things and thus are broken.

There are more people displeased than happy with several updates. Including the people using Shadow Form to their advantage before it was reduced to 50% less damage.

Esan · Jul 10, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Shadow stepping is a poorly thought out mechanic in the first place. Movement should be a counterable tactic, but currently there is nothing in the game that prevents shadow stepping. Shouts and chants at least have counters, however unviable.

Lest121 · Jul 10, 2008, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

I think you mean paragons became the new assassin. Assassin's have been getting major nerfs since Factions.

QFT.....

Anet is hating on Sins lately, last year they were ignored now they are under heavy Nerf attacks.

Konig Des Todes · Jul 10, 2008, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

There are more people displeased than happy with several updates. Including the people using Shadow Form to their advantage before it was reduced to 50% less damage.

And those people are displeased because they have the view that the most common things are the only thing that they can do (i.e. Assassins can only farm, Paragons can only run Imbagon, etc, and if they don't they suck). This is not the case.

As Arkanos pointed out, Assassins have been getting Nerfed since day 1 (for them), so Paragons became the new assassins, and now it is going back because they made an oversight.

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

if warriors and eles were the ones abusing shadow stepping izzy coulda just put a r4critical strikes or 50% failure on all shadow steps

instead of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing up sins once more

i'm down to moebius builds dark day indeed

Sins are not RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up, they could have done what you said, although shadow steps are alligned with Shadow Arts/Deadly Arts, not Critical Strikes

. Also, my sin build has never been touched since the Way of Perfection buff (only 3 things have really been changed on my build, Wild Strike (buffed), Way of Perfection (buff), Shadow Refuge (buff then nerfed back to normal)), so not all sins builds are bad except Moebius

.

Also, if you really think sins are going to get nerfed to hell, then go ahead and delete your sin. They are only being nerfed to hell in terms of their farming builds. Regular builds are still viable, and hopefully always will be.

You don't like the nerfs, find a way around them like I do (the few times I have to). I do find it funny how the builds I make are hardly touched.

RavagerOfDreams · Jul 10, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Sins are not RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up, they could have done what you said, although shadow steps are alligned with Shadow Arts/Deadly Arts, not Critical Strikes

. Also, my sin build has never been touched since the Way of Perfection buff (only 3 things have really been changed on my build, Wild Strike (buffed), Way of Perfection (buff), Shadow Refuge (buff then nerfed back to normal)), so not all sins builds are bad except Moebius

.

you speak of PvE which i care little about

rayd · Jul 10, 2008, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Assassin? What's that?

Never heard of them before

toastgodsupreme · Jul 10, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Lady Raenef

They have their moments, but face it, a majority of the vote goes to: yes.

Why not make shadow stepping more of an assassin things. They did this to ruin warriors or dervishes teleporting to deliver hard spikes. Make it so critical strikes affects the aftercasting time, to the point where 13+ critical strikes can deplenish the aftercasting completely. I hate this. I don't use Shadow Prison, but I love my death's charge.

Actually I think a better solution is either:

Apend critical strikes to include "50% failure of shadow stepping if less than 1 in critical strikes."
Or apend critical strikes to include "Aftercast delays on shadowstepping are removed with 1 or more in critical strikes."

The first suggestion puts shadow stepping back into the hands of assassins. Just like Avatars are solely owned by dervishes.

The second merely gives assassins the incentive to continue to use those skills.

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Originally Posted by Esan

Shadow stepping is a poorly thought out mechanic in the first place. Movement should be a counterable tactic, but currently there is nothing in the game that prevents shadow stepping. Shouts and chants at least have counters, however unviable.

I've suggested many times that the shadowstepping mechanic be changed so that at least when you're knocked down, shadowstepping is prevented. Meaning stance cancel while knocked down wouldn't teleport you anywhere.

MisterB · Jul 10, 2008, 11:56 PM // 23:56

Your assertion that Paragons are bad or useless is incorrect.

[[Shadow Form] is not the only Assassin skill, nor does it define the profession.

Shadow steps hurt tactical play and positioning, and many players, like me, don't appreciate that particular mechanic. Some sort of balance solution is needed.

RavagerOfDreams · Jul 10, 2008, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by Esan

Shadow stepping is a poorly thought out mechanic in the first place. Movement should be a counterable tactic, but currently there is nothing in the game that prevents shadow stepping. Shouts and chants at least have counters, however unviable.

could make all shadow steps easily interruptible. Instead of wand the trapper it would be wand the sin

toastgodsupreme · Jul 11, 2008, 12:02 AM // 00:02

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Originally Posted by RavagerOfDreams

could make all shadow steps easily interruptible. Instead of wand the trapper it would be wand the sin

How do you interupt INSTANT?

What they should've done with Factions and later campaigns was give mesmers some hexes that had a side effect of preventing shadowstepping while hexed with those certain hexes.

Or give the ritualists a spirit that disables shadowstepping within it's range.

Instead of being creative, Anet takes the lazy way out. Like always.